she was in seattle. >> host: how long was she in seattle? >> guest: a year and a half. as a single mother, yes. she had babysitters and she went to school part-time sort of got herself back together. the first semester at university of hawaii has been difficult because she got pregnant. she had to redeem herself academically she did that at the university of hawaii. after barack senior had left to go to harvard, she and barry came back. >> host: 1962 to 1867 they're back in honolulu. who was her second husband? >> guest: her second husband was an international guy, lolo soetoro from indonesia. he had come there to the east-west center which brought students from various asian countries to hawaii and brought americans to honolulu to the same center who were prepared to go to asia for different studies. and that's where she met him. he was a tennis player. he was very gregarious at that time and she fell in love with lolo. >> host: at what point did they move to jakarta? >> guest: she went back first. he had been there, you know both barack senior and lolo are constantly